#148 Research in Action 14: Counting in the animal kingdom with Krzysztof Cipora

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mr Barton Maths Podcast, with me Craig Barton.

This is an episode from season 2 of the Research in Action mini series, where I interview a researcher from the Mathematics Education Centre at Loughborough University about their chosen area of interest, and the implications for maths teaching and learning. You can check out all the previous conversations in the series here.

On today’s episode I was lucky enough to speak to Krzysztof Cipora.

Krzysztof obtained his Diploma and PhD in psychology in Cracow, Poland. Afterwards he spent four years as a Post-Doc researcher at the Department of Psychology, University of Tuebingen, Germany. Krzysztof joined the Centre for Mathematical Cognition as a lecturer in April 2020.

My conversation with Krzysztof in Season 1 of Research in Action was one of my favourites where we discussed things like how people visualise relatively small and large numbers differently and the magnitude of numbers in general. In that conversation Krzysztof also told me about chickens that could count, and it was one of the most bizarre and impressive things I had ever heard. So, when Colin Foster told me Krzysztof wanted to return to the show to tell more more about research into maths in the animal kingdom, I jumped at the chance. And I tell you what, I was not disappointed.

As I will reflect upon in the Takeaway, this could be an episode to share with your students, for a very different answer to “when will I ever use maths in real life?”.

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