#120 Mark Healy – Part 2: Sleep, growth mindset and teaching amid Covid-19

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mr Barton Maths Podcast, with me Craig Barton.

This time around I spoke to Mark Healy.

Mark is a teacher of Psychology is a Deputy Headteacher up in sunny Scotland. He has had a wide range of teaching experience in the UAE & Hong Kong and in what we Englander’s would call Pupil Referral Units.

I first got to know Mark when I was lucky enough to see him give a talk about sleep at researchEd Blackpool a few years ago, and I have been a fan ever since. I have also been lucky enough to visit his school a couple of times to work with his team and see some of the wonderful things that are going on there.

This is Mark’s second appearance on the podcast. When he was on the show earlier in the yeast I had every intention of speaking about sleep. However – as if often the case with the guests I have on the show – we got carried away discussing lots of other things, most notably creating a culture in school whereby CPD thrives and change is sustainable.

This time around, however, I was determined to chat about sleep. But that didn’t stop us covering lots of other ground.

So, in what proved to be another fascinating conversation, we discussed the following things and plenty more besides:

  • With Scottish schools having been back for 5 weeks now, what challenges have Mark and his team faced in the Covid climate that we now live in, and what advice does he have for the rest of us just beginning to get to grips with it?
  • Then it is time for all things sleep related:
  • Why is sleep so important?
  • What happens if we don’t get enough sleep?
  • And the perhaps most importantly of all…how can schools encourage students (and teachers) to take sleep seriously?
  • We then turn our attention to growth mindset, and I ask is it an actual thing that teachers can help their students develop, or a load of nonsense?
  • Mark ends with a succinct 1 word review of Angela Duckworth’s book, Grit.

I always find Mark fantastic company, and this chat was no exception.


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